[reel to reel tape recorder turning on] jerry levitan: hey, john, could youplease tell us, what the situation is with you, when you're entering the united states? john lennon: a lot of people don't want me in.
good diets for a 14 year old boy, they all think i'm gonnacause a violent revolution, which i'm not. and they just don't want me in causethey don't want me to cause peace, either. because peace is big, war is big business and they like warand cause it keeps them fat and happy.
and i'm anti-war so they're tryingto keep me out but i'll get in, cause they'll have to own upin public that they're against peace. jerry levitan: um-hmm. what can we as, as the youth of,of toronto, like what can we do to try to help you? john lennon: help me by helping yourselves,and the mlitant revolutionaries, ask them to show you one revolution thatturned out to be what it promised militantly. let's take russia, france,anywhere that had a--
what they do is they smash the place down, then they build it up again and the peoplethat build it up hang on to it. and then they become the establishment. and you guys are gonna bethe establishment in a few years. it's not worth knocking it down cause it's convenient to have the roomsand the machinery. the thing is to protestbut protest nonviolently. cause violence begets violence. you know, if you run around wild,
you get smacked and that's itand that's the laws of the universe. and they've got all the weapons.they've got all the money. and they know how to fight violence because they've been doing itfor how many years; suppressing us. and they only thing they don't knowabout is nonviolence and humor. and there's many waysof promoting peace. do everything for peace. kiss for peace or smile for peace or go to school for peaceor don't go to school for peace;
whatever you do,just do it for peace. it's up to the people. you can't blame it on the governmentand say, "they're doing this. they're, oh,they're gonna put us into war." we put them there and we allow it. and we can change it. if we really want to change it, we can change it. jerry levitan: what about the paul, ringo,let's see--
john lennon: george.jerry levitan: george, george? john lennon: we're all four individualsand george is saying to me; george is doing it in his own waywith the way he goes about his life. there's no point standing there shoutingon the street corner, "i want peace!" and then beating up your mate. you better try and work your own head out. and get nonviolent, and it's pretty hardbecause we're all violent inside. we're all hitler insideand we're all christ inside. and it's just tryingwork on the good bit of you.
jerry levitan: oh yeah, like i readin the paper that everyone seems to feel thatgeorge is the nice guitarist and stuff like that, like i'm not so keen on george. i like him a lot, but--john lennon: yeah. jerry levitan: i have a feeling thatthey're just sort of drifting away from peoples he's still like, sort of like a symbol. the beatles, like god and stuff like that. but no one in school like if you ask them,"who is your favorite group?" they'll say, "the bee gees."
i'll ask them, "why don't youlike the beatles? they're, they're fantastic, great." etc. and they'll say because, for example, "the marijuana charges, and they're all hippiesand they're gone from us. they're dirty now." john lennon: actually, well, those kids,they sound like some are square. they just gotta get fromunder their parents' wings. jerry levitan: i know, they're like robots.
like, once i just got this feelingout of your double lp after i was listening to it for a long time. i started getting this feeling thatthere's a message in it, you know? john lennon: messages are thereon all levels, on all, in all music. on whatever level you get it on, i've had it too when i wrote it or sang it. but some of that stuff i write it, record it,and play it. and i don't hear it 'til a few months laterand i'm lying down, will say,
"hey, i think,i'll listen to the beatle's album." and try to hear it in retrospectand not objectively. and it's about everything, so it's about uk,it's about ussr, it's about nothing,it's about usa. anything you hear is there. it's all there. either, trigger or profound whatever; it's all there.
and the same is in a flower. everything's there. just gaze and if you look long enough, all answers are in itand the same with the music. jerry levitan: right. john lennon: oh, keep the big boxand don't know. i have no idea what it is. >> big box, black jacket,maybe from last night. john lennon: oh, okay. well that's,
i just shoved that in the black hand case there. yeah. no, not the black shiny case,and me hand luggage in there. it was last night's white jacket there. jerry levitan: thank you very much. john lennon: it's a pleasure, man. jerry levitan: and your coat. john lennon: bye-bye.here's your album. play that, too. peace.
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